Maqedonia - FLET SHQIP!

Diskutime tek 'Ballkani, ky zjarr i fshehur' filluar nga GJENERALI, 13 Aug 2004.

  1. GJENERALI

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    Male850 me fal!
    Nuk i heq me beberonin femijeve te çerdhes tone te perbashket ALBFORUMI! /pf/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
  2. Kondrapedali

    Kondrapedali Kondrapedali Anëtar i Shtabit

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    Persa i perket Kontrapedalit, me vjen keq por ai eshte si flaka e kashtes dhe eshte i atij tipi qe i thua shendet dhe degjon plaç

    He Male, paskam arrit me ta diegë byt.hën? Po ça pate me mu or paçavur!
    Ktu për temën kom shkrujt! Kur thuhet që Maqedonia flet shqip e lexoj maqedonci e italianci normal që do reagoj!

    Ti or lal qeke mo KONDRAPEDAL se unë!
  3. Kondrapedali

    Kondrapedali Kondrapedali Anëtar i Shtabit

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    Ça do me trregu me kte Artemis që shqiptarët janë turq :confused: ?
  4. Artemis

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    Vini re mire kete harte te Europes se vitit 1560!
    Kossovapolis- eshte ne qytetin "Uskup" ( Shkup)!
    shkojme me tutje!
  5. Artemis

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    web page


    Jo du me ta tregu kete!
  6. Artemis

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    Se eshte nje BUDALLA! ketu ne forum qe pyet prej nga i kemi rrenjet ne shqipetaret e maqedonise :confused: :confused: :confused:


    :rockband:
  7. Artemis

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    ... me thoni ku ishte Maqedonia para 1945?! [​IMG]
  8. Artemis

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  9. Artemis

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    Viti 2001-

    Geographical Features:
    The Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia is situated in the central part of the Balkan Peninsula, occupying an area of 25,433 km².. It is situated in a mountainous and dry area, with a few lakes and some small rivers. The capital is Skopje.
    The Albanians in Macedonia mainly inhabit the western part of the country. The largest Albanian communities live in Tetovo, Skopje, Gostivar, Dibra, Kërcova, Struga and Kumanovo. .
    Population:
    Before Macedonia became part of Yugoslavia, in 1944, western Macedonia was part of Albania. In this area, the Albanians are the original inhabitants. The Albanians are the second largest population group in Macedonia (40% of the population), after the Slavs-Macedonians (50% of the population). The remaining 10% of the population is formed by a combination of Turks, Vlasies, Roma and Bulgars. Approximately, 700,000 Albanians are living in Macedonia.
    Culture and language:
    The Albanians of Macedonia are overwhelmingly Muslim although there are a few Christian Orthodox villages. (Meanwhile, the largest population group, the Macedonian, is Christian Orthodox.) Their language is Albanian. Like other Albanians in the Balkan, they have a strong Albanian identity.
    Economy:
    Agriculture is relatively well developed, although the soil is poor. There is little industry. A major part of the population, primarily Albanians, work abroad as a result of the lack of opportunities inside Macedonia. The figures showed that the country's workforce is 84.5% ethnic Macedonian and 9.4% ethnic Albanian. At this moment 30 to 40 % of the Albanian workforce are abroad for jobs.
    History:
    In the 1950`s and 60`s during the reign of the interior minister Aleksander Rankovic, more than 450.000 Albanians were deported to Turkey, and tens of thousands were tortured. This led to the purification of cities like Shkup (Skopje) and Monsatir (Bitola) of Albanians.
    Before the independence of Macedonia in 1992, the Albanians enjoyed the same constitutional rights as the Slav-Macedonians. However, the Albanians were discriminated against in everyday life. After 1992, Macedonia changed its constitution at the expense of the non-Slav people living in Macedonia. Although the Albanians compose around 40% of the whole population in Macedonia, the Macedonian government asserts that Albanians are only one of the minority populations in Macedonia and cannot, therefore, make claims of equality as a people.
    Tensions between the Albanians and Macedonia started well before the republics declaration of independence. Since 1981 many Albanians have been dismissed from their jobs by the Macedonian authorities. The army, the police, the judiciary and the economy have largely been dominated by Macedonians and they have generally decided who is to get jobs and licenses. A large portion of the Albanian population was forced to seek work abroad since there have not been enough job opportunities in the FYROM.
    In 1992, Macedonia changed its constitution, as above, so that all ´national rights belong to the Slavic-Macedonians in the new situation, which means that Albanians in Macedonia have no national rights. According to it, currently, an Albanian must gather about 3 times as many votes as a Slavic-Macedonian in order to be elected into the Parliament. (2,500 for a Slavic-Macedonian/ and in some districts 8000 to18,000 for an Albanian). More than 25 % of the Albanian population are deprived of their former citizenship, and thus denied the opportunity to vote. Albanians who work abroad lose their right to vote as well. This means that the Albanians will never be able to change any legislation. At this moment, 2001, only 1/6 are in the parliament .Because of the disproportianed high number of votes an Albanian representative must have to get into parliament, the Albanians are not able to get the 1/3rd of votes required to stop discriminatory laws.
    In January 1992, the Albanians in Macedonia organized a successful referendum on territorial autonomy. The Slavic Macedonian government interpreted this as a first step toward secession and declared the referendum illegal. Shortly thereafter, the Council of Albanian Political Parties in the Former Yugoslavia -an umbrella organization of ethnic Albanians in Kosova, Montenegro, Serbia proper and Macedonia- decided that autonomy would only be an option for the Albanians in Macedonia if other democratic efforts to gain political and cultural rights fail.
    Albanian people have no national rights, nevertheless, they are forced to pay the same taxes as Slavic-Macedonians. A major factor in improving living conditions for Albanians is education. The Albanians in Macedonia have long demanded higher education in the Albanian language. Admission to middle and higher education is made very difficult for Albanians, most higher education is in the Macedonian language. In reaction the Albanian population built an Albanian language university in Tetovo. The Macedonian government has not legalized the university yet and has therefore been illegal so far. As a consequence 4,000 graduates left the university without a recognized diploma. Even for Slavic-Macedonian universities, only 3 % of Albanian students are allowed to go to these universities. It is very difficult for Albanians to find proper employment. Therefore, Albanians go abroad for jobs and at this moment 30-40 % of Albanian working population are abroad for jobs.
    Albanians have suffered from forced moving, they are not allowed their own school and cultural activities or weapons which is allowed for Slavic-Macedonians. They have no right to demonstrate, and are suppressed, tortured and shot. The Macedonian army and special security forces control the Albanian population and their villages.
    The only way to get peace is to change the constitution and for the Slavic Macedonians to accept a multi ethnic state. But inequality and absolute advantages of the voting system have made it almost impossible to accomplish this.Western countries have neglected all of these violations of the Macedonian government in order to avoid war and conflict.
  10. OROSHI

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    Artemis,nuk i ka mohu kush tokat mor plako,por njerezit qe jetojne ne ato toka kane rreshqitur dhe kane rene ne kokerr te shpines /pf/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
  11. Artemis

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    :lol: keshtu esht Orosh kur kapesh per bishtin e dhise se zgjebosur... jo ne kokerr te shpines por ne ***** biem te shkretit na "maqedoncat"!!

    ( edhe mos m'thuj "plako" burr se jam shume e re! :devil: )
  12. OROSHI

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    Artemis,plakeeee /pf/images/graemlins/laugh.gif ,ne fakt ju duhet te qoni zerin per Aleksandrin e Madh(aaa me fal,ka qene ortodoks ai),ju edhe nene Terezen doni ta mohoni si shqiptare(ju,disa nga ju e kam fjalen,i kam pare ne forume te tjera) :wave:
  13. Poseidon

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    Per kedo qofte qe futet ketu per tu tall apo se mendon se do te thote dicka...

    Me poshte eshte harta ku tregon sesi jane te perfaqesuar sot ne maqedoni shqiptaret.

    Me te gjelber te forte jane zona ku shqiptaret jane mbi 50%
    Me me te zbehte ne zona ku variojne nga 20%-49%
    Me ngjyre te zbehte fare ne zona ku jane nga 3-19%

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    Nja dy raste ku rioganizimi ka qen pozitiv per shqiptaret.

    1. Struga dikur ne te djathte dhe struga sot ne t e majte.
    Me te gjelber jane shqiptare ne shumice dhe me te kuqe sllavet.

    Nga bashkimi i 5 zonave me ate te struges eshte perfituar nje distrikt (sic duket majtas) ku shiptaret jane afer 60% dhe sllavet afer 30% pjesa tjeter turq boshnjake etj ne nje popullsi mbi 65mije banore.

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    2 Diber e madhe e bashkuar me centar zhupa(sesi i thon shqip per fat te keq nuk e di)
    Majtas eshte sesi eshte tani dhe djathtas sesi ka qen me pare.
    Me te gjelber eshte popullsi shqiptare ne shumice dhe te kuqe turq.

    Distrikti i ri do kete rreth 25mije banore me rreth 55% shqiptare pjesa tjeter turq dhe ne minorance te vogel sllavesh.

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    Per ndonje detaj tjeter ku te kem kohe me vone.

    ps aleksandri i madh ortodoks ehhh kur te ngjiten ca njerez ketu si morr maloku (ne fakt duhet te ishte tartabiq) nuk ke dhe cfare tu thuash jan per gjynah.
  14. copenhagen

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    As optimistete me te medhenje,deri para 3-4 viteve skane besuar se dot do kemi keso ndryshime pozitive,ne dobi te shqiptareve qe jeotjne ne maqedoni..
    Lufta e drejte e shqiptareve atje,ngadhenjeu ndaj dhunes shoviniste sllave..Eshte merite e vete popullit shqiptar ne maqedoni,dhe vullnetareve shqiptar nga kosova e shqiperia qe u shkuan ne ndihme vellezerve te gjakut..asnje pike nuk meriton te permendet kontributi i shtetit shqiptar ne kete mes,perderisa vendet sllave u dergonin cdo dite ndihme ushtarake maqedoneve,shteti shqiptar deklarohej si Neutral ne kete konflikt...
    Te drejtat qe kane fituar sot shqiptaret do jene vetem sa per te hapur apetitin e tyre, koha po punon per shqiptaret /pf/images/graemlins/wink.gif
    Pastaj ne qofte se Interesi shqiptar ne ballkan,perputhem me interesat strategjike me POSAQERISHT Shba-se,dhe sikur nje dite kufinjte nder trojet shqiptare te behen inekzistent,se paku ne kokat tona,Athere mjere Ai qe guxon me na zan Udhen . /pf/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /pf/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
  15. Male850

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    Ndonjeri ndoshta edhe do te me korrigjoj, por dikush ka thene per ne shqiptaret (ndoshta Bismarku):
    "Shyqyr qe jane vetem 4 milione se po te ishin 40 do te fillonte lufta" (kuptohet per pamvaresine e kombit)
    Gjeja qe me te vertet me ben krenar te jem shqipetar, eshte ajo qe populli yne nuk ka durruar askend qe ta pershteroj ose ta mundi fizikisht. (S'do mend, sepse ndryshe do te merrte funde si shume kombe si te lashta por edhe te hershme, si etrusket, indianet e amerikes etj, etj)
    Ka gjetur gjithmone nje menyre per te mbrojtur identitetin e tij si psh:
    1 - pushtimin romak, duke rruajtur gjuhen dhe traditen si edhe duke krijuar perandor romak
    2 - pushtimi turk, duke vene emrat myslyman dhe mbiemrat te krishter (psh Myftar Gjoni)
    3 - pushtimi sllave, duke u dalluar nga ato vetem nga feja.
    Te gjitha keto menyra kane bere qe edhe shqiptaret e tjere jashte trojeve, te Shqiperise te vazhdonin te rruajne kulturen e tyre.
    Prandaj Artemis e Poseidon vazhdoni te na jepni keto informacione sepse me duken shume interesante dhe as mos digjoni te tjeret. Si thote fjala e urte:
    Qente le te lehin karvani te ece perpara
  16. Kondrapedali

    Kondrapedali Kondrapedali Anëtar i Shtabit

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    Male, thjesht për t'u grric 'i çik! Indianët e amerikës nuk janë zhduk por jetojnë nëpër rezervate (koloni) dhe kanë panvarësi nga qeveria qendrore e SH.B.A apo e Kanadasë! /pf/images/graemlins/wink.gif
  17. gentilushi

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    thuaj me mire romaket ose greket e lashte
  18. Artemis

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    Male 850 :thumbsup:
  19. Shqiptarja

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    MALE850

    :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

    Shqiptarja :wave:
  20. OROSHI

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    Mire qe nuk nxirrni gishtin e mesit,se u lodhet duke nxjerre gishtat :lol: :lol: :lol:

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