Is the name Illyria Phoenician?

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Is the name Illyria Phoenician?

The Greeks have never fully admitted that the roots of their civilization sprouted from Thebes – an Egyptian city. Albanians on the other hand have never admitted that Illyria – the old name of their country derived. Albanians never reckoned the founder of Illyria was Kadmus (Cadmus) a Semitic half god and his son Illyrus was named after Phoenician name for god Il, El = god from Babylonian Enlil 'lord wind' the god of air, wind and storms, Hebrew Elohim 'god'. Albanians have never understood that their country had three Semitic names: 1. Illyria (Il, El 'god'), 2. Epir-us (a Greek reading) from Egyptian Apiru 'Hebrew', 3. Pelastia, Pelasgia (from Hebrew Peleset related to Philistia, Palestine).
Albanian is the strangest Indo European language because it doesn't share the word snow with any other Indo European language. That means Albanians didn't come from Caspian Sea with other Indo European tribes but from Phoenician shores.
Albanians claim to be Indo Europeans but the number of indo European words in their language is limited despite of several millennia neighboring pure Indo Europeans.
Since Albanians lack the word for snow their ancestors never saw snow before arriving in the Balkans. Consequently Albanians are the offspring of Cadmus, the children of Phoenicia. Dodona (the epicenter of early Indo European religion) was actually a creation of Dan, a Semitic tribe. Characteristic of Illyrians was the formation of toponyms by duplicating the primary word Dan-Dan = Dodona. Greeks never understood the words of priestess at Dodona because she spoke a Semitic language.
One thing is clear only Egyptians gave women special rights including priesthood. Indo Europeans were actually tough patriarchs so Albanian Indo European descent is excluded. Illyrians were the only Indo European people to have queens similar to Egyptian line of succession while in Greece women were often sold as slaves, treated as prostitutes or secondary citizens. Never did women in Greece climb the stages of hierarchy to public life. They was not allowed to leave home and perform religious ceremonies. Rome had similar laws that prohibited women from priesthood and public duties. So clearly Illyria or Epirus or Pelastia inherited the religion and the laws of Egyptians, Phoenicians and other Semitic people after they were expelled from Thebes.
Teba` (Hebrew) [from Hebrew verbal root taba`, Chaldean verbal root teba` to assume shape, become round or spherical] Also tebah. In Chaldean, that which is to be formed or shaped -- hence the primary substance of the world, the cosmic element -- and also nature, which in late Hebrew "mystically and esoterically is the same as its personified Elohim" (TG 325).

Cities in Illyria

The oldest Phoenician colony were along Albanian shores:
1. Dyrrachium from Phoenician Tyre.
2. Aulon-a (feminine noun ending) from Elon or Elion (Phoenician) A name of the sun, recognized as one of the highest active deities or cosmic energies by the Phoenicians; rendered in Greek as 'Elioun. The Hebrew form of this word is found in the Bible in the phrase 'El `elyon, "the God or Divinity on high."
3. Elyssium, Elysium from Tyrian princess Elissar or Elyssa (Dido in Greek).
4. Foinike from Phoenician
5. Lissus from Phoenician colony in Lixus
6. Albanian Tosk dialect from Phoenician colony in Toscanos
7. The very Adriatic Sea was named from Phoenician colony in Abdera (Adra)

Tribes of the Illyrians
Sardeaties from Phoenician colony in Sardinia
Molossi (Molossii) from Phoenician colony in Malaca (their god bull-headed Moloch = the minotaur of Greek, Illyrian)
Parthini from Parthian empire (western Asia)
Delmatae from Dilmun Sumerian name of an ancient kingdom
Maedi, Maezaei from Phoenician colony in Motya (Mozia) in Sicily
Triballi from tri- 'three' + Baal 'Phoenician god'
Naransii from Phoenician colony in Nora (Nurri)
Paeones from the abbreviated form known to the Romans as Poeni, a derivation from the word Phoenikes (Phoenicians)
Anataea is found as a surname of Demeter an Illyrian goddess of earth


The Great Tribes of the Illyrians
Ardiaei
Abri
Agrianes
Amantini
Andizetes
Arrianes
Atintani (Atintanes)
Autariates (Autariate)
Azali
Boii
Breuci
Bylliones
Carni
Catari
Celegeri
Chelidones
Colapiani (Colapani)
Cornacates
Daesitiates
Daorsi
Dardani
Dassarstae (Dassarenses,Dassaretae)
Daversi
Delmatae (Delmetae)
Deraemestae
Deuri
Dindari
Ditiones
Docleatae
Encheleae (Enchelleae)
Eravisci
Glintidiones
Grabaei
Histri
Iapode (Japodes)
Iasi (Jasi)
Labeatae (Labeates)
Latobici
Liburni
Maedi
Maezaei
Melcumani
Moesi
Molossi (Molossii)
Naransii
Oseriates (Osseriates)
Paeones
Parthini
Perestae (Penestae)
Pirustae (Pipustae)
Plearaei
Sardeaties
Scirtari
Scordisci
Seleiitani
Siculotae
Soirtones
Taulanti (Tallanii)
Triballi
Vardaei
Veneti

Illyrian tribe Iapode is actually the Semitic name Japheth | Japeth 2448 BC - Bible.
Japheth Yepheth (Hebrew) The second son of Noah, supposed to be the ancestor of the northern and western nations, and of the Indo-European stocks. Illyrians equated Japheth with the titan Iapetus (SD 2:344) translated later in Greek.

There is no doubt that the myth in which two doves (or priestesses) go from Egypt to Dodona is Egyptian. The Temple of Zeus-Amon in Libya is also of Egyptian origin. Dodona, as we all know, was the greatest temple in Illyria. Zeus's voice was interpreted by the sound of the wind in the oaks at this shrine. Does this not sound suspiciously like Yahweh's voice coming from the burning bush (burning, perhaps, because the lightning-bearing thunder-cloud had settled upon it)? And, furthermore, could it be that the Apiru of the Egyptian records were originally Epirotes, i.e. raiders from Epirus, who brought with them their worship of Zeus, a worship later syncretized with that of Amon? Would not this make sense of an identification of Yahweh with Zeus/Jove?
For the potential origin of Illyrian Albanians see:
http://www.geocities.com/protoillyrian


Cadmus, Cadmilus (Greek) Son of Agenor, king of Phoenicia, and brother of Europa, husband of Harmonia, and father of Semele; legendary founder of Thebes, who slew the dragon, planted its teeth, and built the city with the help of some of the soldiers that sprang from the teeth. He and his wife were finally turned into serpents by the gods. Said to have introduced into Greece an alphabet, possibly based upon 16 characters derived from either Egypt or Phoenicia. He belongs to the class of heroes, who succeeded the reigns of the gods and demigods on earth and who were parents and instructors of mortals.
Hermes was worshiped at Samothrace as the ancestral god under the name of Cadmus or Kadmilos.
El Elion 'el `elyon (Hebrew) [from 'el divinity + `elyon what is high or above] The God on high; "a name of the Deity borrowed by the Jews from the Phoenician Elon, a name of the Sun" (TG 111). See also ELON
The name for the sun became Helios in Greek, hyllus in Albanian.
Eleusinia or Eleusinian Mysteries (Greek) [from eleusinia things that are to come] The most famous Mysteries in ancient Greece and, next to those of Samothrace, the most ancient. Even the Christian writer Epiphanius traces them to the days of Inachos (which some writers place so close to our time as 1800 BC, which is far too near), while others make the founder Eumolpos. Both these founders are described as at once kings and of divine parentage.
The Greater Eleusinian Mysteries were celebrated at the time of the autumnal equinox, the time of grape gathering, and the Mysteries were in honor of Demeter -- in Latin Ceres and in one range of mythologic thought also the Egyptian Isis -- the Earth-Mother, presiding over fertility.
The celebration of the complete Eleusinia consisted of Less and Greater Mysteries. In the former the produce of the earth was given a part, while in the latter emphasis was laid on its higher correspondences in connection with Mystery-teaching. As its name implies, at Eleusis were taught the doctrines concerning what will happen to man after death.
Iacchos, the god of wine in more senses than one, plays an important part in these Mysteries. Demeter's daughter Persephone, goddess of the underworld, was also honored. The usual accounts, vague and fragmentary only, describe the dramatic representations of the adventures of these deities, the esoteric meaning of which was given in the Greater Mysteries.
Eleusis (Greek) [from eleusis a coming, advent from eleusomai will come] Seat near Athens of one of the most renown Mystery centers in ancient Greece. In the New Testament, it is translated as "the advent." See also ELEUSINIA; MYSTERIES
'Eloah 'eloah (Hebrew) Goddess -- although because of masculine anthropomorphic predisposition, it has been commonly rendered god by European translators; used as a title of eminence both for the Jewish Jehovah and the deities, especially the goddesses, of other nations.
'Elohim is the masculine plural form; in Talmudic literature, however, the plural is frequently given as 'elohoth, oth being the feminine plural ending. The word is pointed 'eloha in the Zohar in its connection as a divinity of feminine potency with the fifth Sephirah, Geburah.
Elohim 'elohim (Hebrew) [from 'eloah goddess + im masculine plural ending] The monotheistic proclivities, not only of the Jews but of Christian translators, have led to this word always being translated as God; yet the word itself is a plural form, nor is it in any sense necessarily a plural of majesty, as suggested by some monotheistic scholars. A correct rendering should denote both masculine and feminine characteristics, such as androgyne divinities.
In spite of the ideas imbodied in the word itself, the later development of Judaism caused 'elohim to be almost entirely translated in paraphrase as the "one true God"; but in earlier times 'elohim (or rather benei 'elohim or benei 'elim -- sons of gods, members of the classes of divine beings) meant spiritual beings or cosmic spirits of differing hierarchical grades: a collective class of cosmic spirits among whom is found the familiar Jewish Yahweh or Jehovah. Thus, strictly speaking and as viewed in the original Qabbalah, the 'elohim meant the angelic hierarchies of many varying grades of spirituality or ethereality; and in cosmogonic or astrological matters, the 'elohim were often mentally aggregated under the generalized term tseba'oth [fem pl from the verbal root tsaba' a host, an army] as in the expression "host of heaven."
In the Jewish Qabbalah the 'elohim, however, are the sixth hierarchical group in derivation from the first or Crown, Kether: cosmogonically they represent the manifested formers or weavers of the cosmos. In this Qabbalistic system, Jehovah was the third angelic potency (counting from the first, Kether). Blavatsky calls all these hierarchicies symbols "emblematic, mutually and correlatively, of Spirit, Soul and Body (man); of the circle transformed into Spirit, the Soul of the World, and its body (or Earth). Stepping out of the Circle of Infinity, that no man comprehendeth, Ain-Soph (the Kabalistic synonym for Parabrahm, for the Zeroana Akerne, of the Mazdeans, or for any other 'Uunknowable') becomes 'One' -- the Echos, the Eka, the Ahu -- then he (or it) is transformed by evolution into the One in many, the Dhyani-Buddhas or the Elohim, or again the Amshaspends, his third Step being taken into generation of the flesh, or 'Man.' And from man, or Jah-Hova, 'male female,' the inner divine entity becomes, on the metaphysical planes, once more the Elohim" (SD 1:113).
The opening words of the Bible refer directly to the activities of the 'elohim, for this is the sole divine name mentioned in Genesis 1:1-2. De Purucker translates these verses from the original Hebrew as: "In a host (or multitude), the gods (Elohim) formed themselves into the heavens and the earth. And the earth became ethereal. And darkness upon the face of the ethers. And the ruah (the spirit-soul) of the gods (of Elohim) fluttered or hovered, brooding" (cf Fund 99-100). He goes on to say that "we see that the Elohim evolved man, humanity, out of themselves, and told them to become, then to enter into and inform these other creatures. Indeed, these sons of the Elohim are, in our teachings, the children of light, the sons of light, which are we ourselves, and yet different from ourselves, because higher, yet they are our own very selves inwardly. In fact, the Elohim, became, evolved into, their own offspring, remaining in a sense still always the inspiring light within, or rather above . . . the Elohim projected themselves into the nascent forms of the then 'humanity,' which thenceforward were 'men,' however imperfect their development still was" (Fund 101-2).
The 'elohim, then, correspond to both classes of the pitris mentioned in theosophical literature: the higher or more spiritual-intellectual of the 'elohim are the agnishvatta-pitris, and the lower groups are the barhishad-pitris. As the agnishvatta-pitris are devoid of the astral-vital-physical productive fire because they are too high and distinctly intellectual, they leave the work of production to the lower 'elohim or barhishads, who "being the lunar spirits more closely connected with Earth, became the creative Elohim of form, or the Adam of dust" (SD 2:78).

Elon or Elion (Phoenician) A name of the sun, recognized as one of the highest active deities or cosmic energies by the Phoenicians; rendered in Greek as 'Elioun. The Hebrew form of this word is found in the Bible in the phrase 'El `elyon, "the God or Divinity on high."
Elu (Chaldean) A Chaldean god, variant of 'El (deity, divinity), frequently used by the Hebrews as equivalent to God. The original Semitic meaning embraces the idea of surpassing might, immense power, and unlimited strength.
Elysian Fields, Elysium (Greek) Originally in Greek mythology, beautiful meadows or plains, or islands of the blest, located in the far west by the banks of Ocean. There certain heroes of the fourth race who never experienced death were said to dwell in perfect happiness ruled by Rhadamanthus. The titans after being reconciled with Zeus also lived there under the rule of Kronos. Pindar holds that all who have passed blamelessly through life three times live there in bliss. Later, Elysium was located in the underworld as the abode of those whom the judges of the dead found worthy. The river Lethe (forgetfulness) flowed by the Elysian Fields.
Ila or Ila (Sanskrit) Closely connected with Ida, sometimes used interchangeably, meaning flow, speech, the earth. Ilagola means the earth globe. See also IDA, IDA (-NADI)
Ilavrita Ilavrta (Sanskrit) One of the nine varshas (divisions of the earth) according to ancient Hindu teaching; what is now the region of the north pole and surrounding Mount Meru, said to be the habitat of divinities.
Illinus A god in the Chaldean theogony of Damascus (TG 153).
Ilus (Greek) [from ilue mud] Primordial slime or mud; used by Berosus, the Chaldean, for the rude material out of which the cosmos was built; and by Sanchoniathon, the Phoenician writer, for the offspring of Chaos after the embrace of the spirit. The lotus flower or manifested universe grows out of the cosmic ilus or primordial substance. The elements differentiate or unfold into activity from their primeval ilus resting in laya. "Esoterically the homogeneous sediment of Chaos or the Great Deep. The first principle out of which the objective Universe was formed" (TG 146). The same as hyle.
Clearly Ila or Ila (Sanskrit) 'flow, speech, the earth' = Ilus (Greek) [from ilue 'mud'] = Ilus 'founder of Ilion', Illyrius son of demigod Cadmus.
 

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Thebes me sa di une eshte Thiva = Theva nje fshat 100 % arvanite (albanian) shume afer prane Athines ne greqi.Dhe Kadmos eshte po nga Thiva.Kete e konfirmon dhe Aristidh Kola tek "arvanitet dhe prejardhja e grekerve".
 

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Illiria Antica regione che nel periodo di massima espansione occupava la parte occidentale della penisola balcanica, dal Danubio all'Epiro. Intorno al 1300 a.C., gli illiri, un popolo indoeuropeo che comprendeva anche dalmati e pannoni, si insediarono sulle coste settentrionali e orientali dell'Adriatico. Nel VII e VI secolo a.C. i greci fondarono città sulla costa, e nel IV e III secolo a.C. i vicini regni dell'Epiro e della Macedonia conquistarono territori dell'Illiria. L'ultimo regno illirico fu fondato nel III secolo a.C. con capitale Scodra (l'odierna Scutari). La minaccia illirica alla libertà di navigazione provocò una dichiarazione di guerra dei romani, che sconfissero gli illiri nel 228 e nel 219 a.C.

Dopo la secessione dalmata, i romani conquistarono Scodra, stabilendovi una colonia che chiamarono Illyricum (168 a.C.). Gradualmente la Dalmazia fu assoggettata e annessa nel 77 a.C. all'impero, seguita dalle regioni meridionali del precedente regno d'Illiria (34 a.C.) e dalla Pannonia (9 a.C.). Dopo una rivolta (6-9 d.C.), l'Illyricum romana fu divisa nelle province di Pannonia e Dalmazia. Nel IV secolo il nome si riferiva a una grande prefettura romana che comprendeva la colonia nonché una vasta area a nord dell'Adriatico e buona parte dei Balcani. La regione, fiorita sotto i romani, ebbe nuove città e una nuova rete stradale. Con la caduta dell'impero romano d'Occidente, l'Illiria divenne parte dell'impero bizantino.

Il nome Illyria, ripreso da Napoleone nel 1809, quando incluse gran parte dell'antica regione nelle province illiriche, fu utilizzato anche tra il 1816 e il 1849, sotto l'impero asburgico.
 

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Se l’origine degli Etruschi dà ancor luogo a sempre ricorrenti discussioni, non meno incerta è l’origine dei Piceni, che diedero il loro nome ad una delle regioni dell’Italia augustea (ma le odierne Marche non corrispondono pienamente all’antico Piceno); né vi è una definitiva concordanza della critica sull’etimologia del nome.

Secondo Festo, il Piceno fu così chiamato perché quei Sabini che migrarono verso l’odierna Ascoli avevano come loro insegna un picchio (picus), uccello sacro a Marte, cosicché ebbero il nome di Piceni o Picentes. L’etimologia data da Festo fu universalmente accettata fino a tempi a noi vicini, quando furono tentate etimologie nuove: ad esempio, il Dall’Osso, avendo notato che nelle tombe picene si trovavano frequentemente oggetti di ambra, chiamata, nei dialetti italici, pix-picis, propose la derivazione del vocabolo Picenum da pix: Picenum vorrebbe così dire “paese dell’ambra”, non si sa se prodotta o lavorata nella regione o importata dal nord dell’Europa, donde sarebbe poi provenuta anche in età romana; il Brandenstein ha invece avvicinato il nome Picenum alla radice illirica pik (esistono Picentinum in Pannonia e Piquentum in Istria) affermando così anche l’origine illirica, e non italica, del popolo. Ma lo stesso Brandenstein, insieme con il Kretschmer, non ha escluso l’etimologia tradizionale: il Piceno è il paese dei “giovani del picchio”, secondo l’etimologia di Festo, alla quale accede anche il Devoto, rivalutando l’origine totemica del popolo, con il Pais, il quale ha affermato l’attendibilità della tradizione antica.

Una notevole confusione è derivata dal fatto che fin verso la fine del secolo scorso si sono insieme confusi dagli studiosi vari popoli che abitarono successivamente nella regione, confusione dovuta al fatto che si è voluto attribuire, a popolazioni nominate dalla tradizione letteraria greco-romana, caratteristiche di popolazioni anteriori.

In un’opera del secolo V o IV a.C., il Periplo, il greco Scilace di Carianda (o lo Pseudo-Scilace) afferma che “dopo i Sanniti vi è il popolo degli Umbri con la città di Ancona”, e non nomina affatto i Piceni; Strabone considera i Piceni provenienti dalla Sabina e quindi italici, emigrati in seguito ad una “primavera sacra” (voto pubblico col quale venivano consacrati alla divinità i nati nella primavera successiva, che, divenuti adulti, non erano considerati parte della comunità, in quanto votati agli dei, cosicché erano banditi dalla patria) ed aventi come totem il picchio, e la stessa cosa afferma Plinio, mentre Tolomeo nomina i Piceni senza indicarne l’origine.
 

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Nese duam diskutim le te sjellim fakte ne gjuhen Shqipe!
Tema mbyllet!
 
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Sipas nnje kendveshtrimi te pergjithshem historik, Iliret u quajten Info-European per shkak te ngjashmerive me popujt e tjere Indo-Europian. Por ekzistojn ndryshueshmeri te forta te Ilireve dhe vendbanimeve te tyre te hershme ne krahasim me fqinjet Indo-europian. Nje nga kto diversitete eshte ndertimi i vendbanimeve. Ilirit nuk ndertonin qytet-shtete (me vone ndertuan vendbanime te ngjashme me fqinjet). Rasti me i vecante eshte Epiri , i cili ne kulmin e zhvillimit, kur Pirro i Epirit mbreteronte, nuk posedonte nje vendbanim te fortifikuar, perkundrazi fuqia ushtarake e Pirros ishte e levizshme. nje karakteristike ne ushtrine e tij ishin elefantet, element i perdorur gjeresisht ne Egjypt. Eshte i vecante fakti se Epiri ne kulmin e tij nuk posedonte nje vendbanim te fortifikuar edhe pse ne ato kohe ishte me i fuqishme nder popujt fqinj.
pas-ardhesit e Ilireve, Arberit (pasi Iliria u reduktua ndjeshem nga pushtimet e shumta) mbanin flamurin e shqiponjes me dy koka , ky element njihet si shjenje fuqie dhe eshte perdorur me me vone si simbol deri ne ditet e sotme nga shume armata te tjera. Shqiponja e zeze me dy koka eshte gjetur si element fillimisht ne babilonin antike (summeria) dhe me pas ne vendbanime Fenikase (Filistei) dhe simbolizon shpendin mit feniks.
 

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Sipas nnje kendveshtrimi te pergjithshem historik, Iliret u quajten Info-European per shkak te ngjashmerive me popujt e tjere Indo-Europian. Por ekzistojn ndryshueshmeri te forta te Ilireve dhe vendbanimeve te tyre te hershme ne krahasim me fqinjet Indo-europian. Nje nga kto diversitete eshte ndertimi i vendbanimeve. Ilirit nuk ndertonin qytet-shtete (me vone ndertuan vendbanime te ngjashme me fqinjet). Rasti me i vecante eshte Epiri , i cili ne kulmin e zhvillimit, kur Pirro i Epirit mbreteronte, nuk posedonte nje vendbanim te fortifikuar, perkundrazi fuqia ushtarake e Pirros ishte e levizshme. nje karakteristike ne ushtrine e tij ishin elefantet, element i perdorur gjeresisht ne Egjypt. Eshte i vecante fakti se Epiri ne kulmin e tij nuk posedonte nje vendbanim te fortifikuar edhe pse ne ato kohe ishte me i fuqishme nder popujt fqinj.
pas-ardhesit e Ilireve, Arberit (pasi Iliria u reduktua ndjeshem nga pushtimet e shumta) mbanin flamurin e shqiponjes me dy koka , ky element njihet si shjenje fuqie dhe eshte perdorur me me vone si simbol deri ne ditet e sotme nga shume armata te tjera. Shqiponja e zeze me dy koka eshte gjetur si element fillimisht ne babilonin antike (summeria) dhe me pas ne vendbanime Fenikase (Filistei) dhe simbolizon shpendin mit feniks.
Shqiponja me dy koke ishte simbol i perandorise bizantine dhe eshte perdorur nga Arberit ne mesjete.
 
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ne fakt shqiponja me dy koke si simbol eshte shfaqur fillimisht ne Sumeria, me vone e njohur si babilonia, po ashtu ky simbol eshte gjetur ne fiset antike Fenikase te njohur me vone si Filistei. sipas nje teori mendohet qe nuk eshte shqiponje por feniksi.

mund te jete me interest postimi i me poshtem mbi gjuhen Ilirie, ky post eshte marre nga nje studim.

THE LANGUAGE OF GOD
by James Wm. Pandeli




(Written for the Seminar on Illyrians to be held at Prishtina University in
Kosova, Aug. 2003.)


I The Illyrian Language

It is the purpose of this writing to inspire thought; to enlighten the
people of the Illyrian (Albanian) heritage; to help the Jews understand the
ancient roots of their religion and hopefully enlighten the peoples of
Christianity and Islam as well by placing in proper perspective these
monotheistic (one
God) religions within the context of the evolution of man. Prehistoric man
created the ideas, names of the gods and religious stories through his
perceptions and understandings of
the natural surroundings. It is the Illyrian (Albanian) language that
appears to translate this phenomenon.

This attempt may help to reconcile Darwin's Theory of Evolution of 1859 with
the creationist idea of a beginning that took place some 5764 years ago. As
Darwin's theory might be referred to as the 'language of nature', the
Illyrian (Albanian) language could be referred to as the 'language of god'.

This may all have become possible because the 'Greek code' had been
deciphered when parts of Hesiod's 'Theogony' (Genesis of the Gods)c. 700
B.C., was analyzed and placed within an Illyrian (Albanian) context in 1980,
using the Albanian language as the tool in gaining a new insight into his
work. Hesiod was a Greek farmer/shepard turned poet.

Albanian is the oldest language in Europe and by some accounts has been
compared to Etruscan (Z. Mayani, 'Etruscans Begin to Speak'). The Albanian
alphabet was not developed until 1878 and the majority of the population was
illiterate as recent as 1945. The Albanians are considered the descendents
of
the Illyrians. There is little record of the Illyrian civilization as they
supposedly left no writings, a fact that I find increasingly hard to
believe.

The Greeks were the scribes for the translations of the books of the Bible
from Hebrew to Greek. They may have been the unknowing scribes for some of
the Illyrian history though it appears they did not understand the stories
past on to them by the Illyrian people. 'From what parents the gods are
derived or whether they were in existence from all time, and what they are
like in shape, the Greeks do not know till this day when I write these
lines' says Herodotus, Greek historian (c. 485-425 B.C.) (Book II, 53). It
should be noted that the translation of the Bible, wherein the monotheistic
concept was introduced to the western world, had been completed during the
beginning of the
first millenium. While this translation process was taking place the
Alexandria (Egypt) Library was destroyed. It was said that this library
contained the story of mankind.

It should have been the wonder of the ages how the Greeks could have been
the scribes of both the early Illyrian vocal histories and have understood
none of it, as has been proven with the analysis of Hesiod's work, and some
centuries later became the translators for one of the most important
religious
documents, the Bible, yet understood little of the roots of the evolution of
religion in their world. Maybe now that we might begin to recognize that
there is a 'language of god', a language that gave translation to the
evolution of religion that we know in our world, we can begin to view this
evolution with a clearer perspective.

II An Illyrian World

It is my contention that long before the 'beginning of the world' as
expressed in Genesis, the first book of the Bible, there was an Illyrian
world in the prehistoric era. It was one that had great religious influence
over the Mediterranean world and the areas of the regions known as the
Middle East and northern Africa. Though some of this Illyrian influence may
have been lost to the Jews in their early culture it is probable that the
teachers of Abraham, the Patriarch of the Jews, were aware of it.

The concepts of 'west' and 'ancestors' were important parts of the
prehistoric cultures in the ancient world. In Albanian the word 'perendim'
translates to 'west'. The word 'Perendia' translates to 'God' or 'god-like'.
In Albanian the words 'ze fare' translates to 'the voice (or message) of the
ancestors'. The Greek name for 'west wind' was 'zephyr' which probably
derives
from the Albanian word 'ancestors'.

Some European scholars have tried to find the key to the Illyrians
because they sensed that it might have been a missing link to understanding
the religious evolution in the western world. They were unsuccessful in
finding this Illyrian world, and it appears that they could not imagine a
wider implication. A reasoning process may enlighten us - help us to
understand the religious and spiritual phenomenon in nature that enlightened
prehistoric man. It seems to have been lost almost from the beginning of the
historic era and became more political in its evolution.

III The Concepts: Ou, Ra, and Tos

In Greek, Ouranos was considered the first god, the god of heaven. If one
were to separate the name 'Ouranos', to 'Ou' 'ra', it would translate into
Albanian 'I' 'fell'. 'Ou' survives in Albanian as the personal pronoun 'I'.
It was my contention that 'Ou' was the name of the first god in the line of
succession of gods. Imagine yourself as a cave-dweller living many thousands
of years ago. When you stand on the earth and view the earth and sky, does
not the sky appear to fall to the earth in every direction you view? You do
not have the understanding that the world is round. It appears that a dome
forms over the earth.

Hesiod states: "And Earth first bare starry Heaven, equal to herself, to
cover (extend over) her on every side,..." (c.700 B.C.)

It is my contention that this concept, the sky appearing to fall to earth,
may have been the most significant to the people of the prehistoric era when
their religious ideas were evolving. As a result, the 'ra' expressing this
understanding, found its way throughout the cultures of the Middle East and
North Africa over hundreds, maybe even thousands of years, in the
prehistoric era.
We see the word in the name Mediterranean. In Albanian that would translate
as 'with the falling day'. Of course this analysis has never been made
because the scholars could only see 'Latin'. This has been true with many
analyses of the ancient world, the scholars see 'Latin' or 'Greek', or
'Hebrew' then fit a reasoning process to it. Of course, to some extent, I do
the same with Illyrian (Albanian) but there is one difference - the Illyrian
language is coincident with ideas that are better explained by the 'view' in
prehistoric man's world, the evolutionary timetable within which he lived,
than any subsequent document left behind by man.

One point should be made clear with regard to the first god. This should not
be confused with the idea of a supreme god within the Illyrian scheme. The
supreme god to most people of the prehistoric world was the Mother-Earth. In
some cultures she survived the prehistoric world and it is a familiar
concept in recorded history.

The concept 'Tos' ... When Hesiod was describing the beginning of the world
he mentions that in the beginning there was 'Chaos' an emptiness or a state
of disorder. And next was formed 'Ge', the earth...

In Albanian there are four principal divisions of people that have emerged
from an unrecorded past. The four divisions include the tribes Geg, located
north of the Shkumbini River in central Albania (the ancient name of the
river was Genusus; 'north' in Albanian 'veri' translates to 'the place of
the
egg'; 'Shkumbe' in Albanian translates to 'foam', and the oldest story of
Aphrodite is of a foam birth, though the Greek version of that birth is not
coincident with any Illyrian understanding). To the south of the river were
the Tosk, Lab and Cham. With regard to Hesiod's first two names 'chaos' and
'ge', my thought was that they represented two of the four Albanian
divisions. I did not
allow the dialect of 'Kaos' to dissuade my observation from the Albanian
'Cha'. (The discussion and subsequent persuasion in this writer's book 'Oh
Albania, My Poor Albania' satisfied many doubts as to the possible validity
since it resulted in the breaking of the 'Greek code' and made many new
analyses of the prehistoric world possible. In fact it was a factor in
solving the 'mystery' of the Illyrian world.)

My conclusion had been that if the 'Ge' was the mother, in the north, the
place of the egg, then the 'Tos' might be the father in this scheme -
something that had eluded the Greeks. In Albanian the word 'tos' refers to
'pluhur' which translated to mean 'dust'. The Albanian word 'plehu'
translates as 'fertilize'. My thought was that the moisture or perhaps the
drizzle of rain in the air on a moonlit night might have been likened to the
dust-like appearance one might see in the air during daylight. The
prehistoric peoples may have equated this 'dust' as a 'fertilizing' of
Mother Earth - not in the factual scientific terms we know today, but in
some reasoning that they could comprehend in their time. It is my belief
that the 'tos' was synonymous with the concept of 'fertilization'.

IV The Names: 'Torah', 'Ur'

The Torah is one of the most important documents in Jewish culture. It may
be said that the Torah is the whole body of Jewish religious literature
including the Scriptures (the Bible). More specifically the Torah is
considered the first five books of the Old Testament of the Bible: Genesis,
Exodus, Levitus, Numbers and Deuteronomy. In the Jewish tradition, it is the
introduction
of the 'One God' to the Jewish people, and subsequently to a large part of
the human race represented by the people of Christianity and the people of
Islam.

Abraham was the founder of Judaism, the first great patriarch who introduced
the concept of monotheism - the doctrine in the belief that there is only
one God. He was born in Ur, a place in Iraq.

Quite simply it is my contention that the 'To' in 'Torah' represents the
'fertilization', and the 'rah', that which 'fell to earth', or the
'fatherhood which fell to earth'. This is what I believe to be the etymology
- the origin and prehistorical development of this name. And it is quite
fitting, and no wonder, that the patriarch and founder of this 'One God'
concept should be born in a place called 'Ur', a name that I believe
developed from the Illyrian concept 'Ou' 'Ra'...

Albania, including Kosova, should be viewed not only as a nation that had
been established in 1912, (KosovA was stolen from Albania by the Great
Powers of early 20th century Europe and pillaged by neighbors) but also a
culture, a living, breathing heritage for many thousands of years despite
the lack of an alphabet until 1878 and an illiterate population as recent as
1945. There are prehistoric concepts within this heritage that can be the
only source of explanation for the origin of religious ideas and tradition
that exist in many cultures with regard to the 'west' and 'ancestoral
reverence'. And it becomes apparent that the ideas pre-date any recorded
civilization's claim to antiquity by the very nature of its preservation -
they can be found, even though lost for thousands of years, not through
documents, not by investigating pottery or other artifacts, but through a
reasoning process that applies the Albanian language to the same natural
surroundings that were readily available to prehistoric man as it is to
ourselves today.

It is important to understand that the Illyrian (Albanian) and Jewish
peoples at one time lived in a prehistoric world, one culture subsequently
left writings, one supposedly did not; one culture lost some of the
understandings of that world, the other culture remained a mystery for
thousands of years until 1980.

In Albanian 'Genusus' would translate to 'Mother Earth as a bride'. 'Nuse'
translates to 'bride'... It is most probable the origin of the Greek word
'Genesis', 'the beginning', derives from this concept. In Albanian the word
'dhenderr' translates to 'groom'. 'Dhe' translates to 'earth', and 'nderr'
translates 'to extend' or 'spread over'. From Homeric Hymn, c.800 B.C.:
'Hail Mother of the gods, wife of starry Heaven'. From Hesiod, c.700 B.C.:
'And earth first bare starry Heaven, equal to herself, to cover (extend
over) her on every side..."

V The Bridge to the Blessed Father

Thousands of years have passed without the benefit of insight into the
prehistoric Illyrian world, without an awareness that there was and still is
a 'language of god'. It is a 'language' which may help man to understand the
prehistoric evolution of the religious and spiritual phenomenon that rooted
in that era and in some aspects survived in the world we know today. It is a
'language' which might answer questions that can help man to better
understand his world, his religion.

The reader must recognize that we live in a very dangerous world where
technology has given humanity some very unforgiving powers. The Illyrian
(Albanian) language might teach something. Hopefully it can be the catalyst
which could take us from Day One of the evolutionary process to Day Two. It
is a new
awareness of an old phenomenon.

If one were to point to the place where the heaven meets the earth and
follow the path of the sun overhead and toward the west, an imaginary bridge
would be drawn. In Albanian 'ura' translates to 'bridge'. 'Urat' translates
to 'the blessed father'.
 

Hank

Valoris scriptorum
Just a remark:
In Albanian the word
'dhenderr' translates to 'groom'. 'Dhe' translates to 'earth', and 'nderr' translates 'to extend' or 'spread over'.
dhëndërr in todays Albanian is a transformation of the word: dhand'rr. The ë was not introduced in Albanian until the last century and it filled the space of adjacent consonants and transformed a (or o in some dialects) to ë.
Dhand'rr means someone whois given away (i dhanun).
 
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Mnk

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Re: Is the name Illyria Phoenician?

Thebes me sa di une eshte Thiva = Theva nje fshat 100 % arvanite (albanian) shume afer prane Athines ne greqi.Dhe Kadmos eshte po nga Thiva.Kete e konfirmon dhe Aristidh Kola tek "arvanitet dhe prejardhja e grekerve".
 
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Mnk

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Shkiptareve u ka ikur mendja nga koka me textet qe I baptizing studime na Ben tani the phoenix Mir e ktheu pergjigjen tjetri na beni rezil na ju a thash me shqip
 
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